>> well, there would be if the debt ceiling was not lifted quickly enough. it is conceivable that the government shut down for a week, but by that time it becomes apparent that the shutdown of the government is causing unwanted stress for the u.s. economy, threatening to start another recession, and i would think that by that time both parties would be forced to compromise on the issue. less of for it, historically i don't know of a cigar session that has been blamed or linked to congress. all previous recessions have been blamed on the administration, went on the present. >> that is actually true. less talk about that. 16 trillion, over 16 trillion. how long can we go on like this? >> well, not forever. right now medicare is scheduled to go bankrupt and 2023. social security goes under and 2033. barring it real action. to be perfectly honest, the current and structure of the united states of america it is unsustainable long-term. gerri: go right ahead. >> we could tolerate the situation, but ultimately something has to be done in the more quickly corrective